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Post by LymeEnigma on Oct 22, 2007 6:31:58 GMT -8
health.msn.com/centers/adhd/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100171793>1=10496 If ADHD is up 400% and bipolar disorder is up by 40% in just the past couple of generations, what does this say about our country. Also, can diet and toxins be held responsible for all of this? I really don't remember the world being that different from when I grew up, other than maybe the difference in computers and the invent of cell phones. Why do I see a pathogen connection, here?
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Post by jeezld on Oct 22, 2007 6:39:52 GMT -8
A few years after my son's bullseye rash he was diagnosed with both ADHD and bipolar disorder. Both symptoms went away while on antibiotic treatment for Lyme.
What a coincidence.
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Post by itsybitsyone on Oct 22, 2007 9:03:47 GMT -8
ADHD and Bipolar disorders are catch-alls, unfortunately. After ADHD was names as such, and bipolar was named as such...it skyrocketted. The question is chicken and egg. Is it more widely recognized because it has new names and criteria and can be diagnosed (both are "disorders" that if you stretch it, almost everyone on the planet meet the criteria at one point or another!)
Can we dignose it because we have named it and descibed it...thereby recognize something that has always been there...
or is it simply another situation where they are symptoms and not a disease in an of themselves...OR
I know this will annoy some folks...when there is not an underlying medical condition causing the problem like in Jeez's case...is it simply parents and family members unable to deal or teach coping skills?
I don't buy that so many kids have ADHD without some other underlying medical cause. I just don't. I'm not saying that kids can have neuro problems from other conditioins or learning disabilities. They can. But most kids who have "ADHD" don't belong on these drugs in my opinion. I just think its psychiatrists being psychiatrists.
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Post by cobweb2 on Oct 22, 2007 9:47:01 GMT -8
I actually had a doctor , breast surgeon, tell me Lyme was just a "catch all " diagnosis. My respect for her went down tenfold.
Ironically, the next time I went back, she had a new Nurse Practicioner working with her, who was entirely sympathetic to Lyme disease, and had two nieces infected-one responding well, the other having a hard time.
I didn't read the article by the way, so I'll have to comment on that later.
Carol
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Post by itsybitsyone on Oct 22, 2007 10:12:28 GMT -8
Cobby...that's different. Lyme is an infection.
ADHD and Bipolar are mental/neuro conditions. I think they are an over-used catch-all BECAUSE docs do not want to see/look for/recognize the underlying problems causing them.
Think about it. If a kid had central audiotory processing problems...like I developed at 19 from Lyme...we call it Learning disability with ADHD now...why? Because kids with AP problems cannot pay attention because everyone sounds like Charlie Brown's parents after a hit of acid. Meanwhile, just because I couldn't understand anything and didn't want to sit in college classes listenning to WHOP WHAA WHAA WHAA WHAP didn't make me ADHD, it made me annoied and angry and frustrated and agitated.
Had it not been 1989, I'd have been put on adderol. As ADHD.
And I don't have it.
I can be nervous, appear manic, get a little down in the dumps and not communicate and even isolate myself from friends and push people away. Have mood swings and laugh at stuff I shouldn't be laughing at. I could, at slight stretch, meet biopolar criteria. I definately meet PTSD criteria...and who here doesn't??
That's all I mean. I mean, many times, there IS an infection or other problem going on underneath the ADHD or Biopolar symptoms and if you get tagged as one of these, you aren't going to get the real help you need! How many of us don't meet DS< criteria for somehting??
Also, there are kids who are just busy little things that if schools insist the parents medicate them, they get more money from the state the more "disabled" kids they have. Not all schools are like that..but some are and it is unfortunate.
I think there is PLENTY of evidence showing that after ADHD was added to DSM criteria, it BOOMED...
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Post by deejavu on Oct 22, 2007 16:27:15 GMT -8
I think Chronic lyme can cause bipolar symptoms. The reason I think this is because I used to suffer from what I call "lyme rage episodes" which scared the heck out of me.
I called up my doctor (alternative medicine) and was told everyone who has chronic lyme also has high levels of ammonia in their body/brain.
These high levels of ammonia can be very dangerous to the organs and the brain, causing mood swings, rage, depression, anxiety, joint pains, and the list goes on.
My regular MD had no problem testing me for ammonia levels. It's a simple blood test that goes to any lab. Why not try it and find out if one's ammonia levels are higher than normal? If they are, there are supplements to take to remove this ammonia.....
Denise
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Post by LymeEnigma on Oct 23, 2007 7:40:43 GMT -8
I know I had a few terrible episodes of "Lyme rage" before the doxy treatment, and they were utterly horrifying.
I think the cause to these episodes is still up for debate, and I would be willing to bet that there is more than one factor involved. I'm glad to be rid of them, (being bi-polar is awful!) although the persistent anxiety is a whole different story....
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Post by deejavu on Oct 23, 2007 16:52:31 GMT -8
Oh yes, lyme rage episodes are horrifying and terrifying!  Funny, I started to experience them about 1 year after I was on Doxy (year 2000). Enigma, sorry you are still experiencing the anxiety, now them I am symptom-free from the lyme, now I am experiencing some good ole peri-menopause symptoms! All in all, it's not so bad, at least I don't get any hot flashes like my friends do. I got hot when I was sick with the lyme, fevers..... See what women have to look forward to? LOL! How come men don't go through this? It's not fair! ;D Denise |
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Post by itsybitsyone on Oct 24, 2007 3:53:27 GMT -8
Men have the mid life crisis...generally presents with delusions of grandure, deep-seeded denial, peircings, tattoos, hair club for men, a motorcycle and a new truck or car payment, as well as lawyer fees and child support payments. Much more expensive than menopause. I'll pick being period-free and some hot flashes over that any DAY!  |
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Post by LymeEnigma on Oct 24, 2007 8:05:05 GMT -8
I'm just glad to be rid of the rages. I only had a few of them, but they were so horrible; I still cringe at the memories of flying off the handle like that ... anxiety is hell, but I'd take that over "bipolar disorder" any day. I also have to speculate on the many times I've had brain fog in the past, which makes it impossible to concentrate, even to read a simple paragraph or focus on anything for more than a minute or two ... sure does sound a lot like ADHD, doesn't it? ... but I know I sure as heck didn't have anything like that as a young child.... On ammonia, I have a few links on the ammonia cycle in humans. Whether or not this can be linked directly to Lyme is still debatable, but ammonia toxicity is definitely a serious issue for those it affects: www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/ammoniawww.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=371973&pageindex=1jpen.aspenjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/11/6/569I don't look forward to merimenopause, with its hot flashes and such, but I am looking forward to a gross reduction in hormone spikes. I think that will reduce a lot of my current issues. I hope, anyway ... but I am still a few years off, I guess, so time will tell. |
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