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Post by LymeEnigma on Nov 14, 2007 13:03:37 GMT -8
I have to wonder how many people with "chronic bartonella" have cats that have never been treated for the disease?
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Post by enochroot on Nov 15, 2007 8:47:57 GMT -8
The ID Docs I have seen all said (all 4 of them) Bartonella is "minor and always self-resolving" and not worth discussing! Rather surprising and disappointing... I have the outdoor cats I tend to, so it was high on my list - but - the Zithro I have been on for a month should address it if it is the case from what I have read.
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Post by LymeEnigma on Nov 15, 2007 9:44:43 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure that a number of antibiotics are effective against bartonella; I'm really curious if more people should be treating their cats with one round of treatment rather than treating their own "co-infecting" bartonella (which, from everything I've read, is apparently self-resolving) for months on end, just assuming their infection is chronic. I've had cats my entire life; since I was a kid I have shared food and drinks with them and "never got sick" ... now I kind of have to wonder how safe of a practice that is, after all....
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Post by itsybitsyone on Nov 16, 2007 9:36:44 GMT -8
My ex-boyfriend's little brother almost died of it in the 80's from a kitten scratch. The docs said it was the worst they had ever seen.
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Post by LymeEnigma on Nov 17, 2007 8:28:24 GMT -8
I wonder if bartonella is self-resolving in cats, or if they act more like Typhoid Marys with the disease? ... I know some people I could ask....
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Post by itsybitsyone on Nov 19, 2007 13:29:52 GMT -8
Don't they carry the bug on their feet? I don't know if they ever really get infected with it internally
But I will check
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Post by itsybitsyone on Nov 19, 2007 13:35:19 GMT -8
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Post by cobweb2 on Nov 19, 2007 17:09:40 GMT -8
My LLMD says... (don't you get tired of hearing me say that)
Lyme Bartonella and Cat Scratch Fever are not the same.
I got a nasty case of "Pasturella"(sp) from a cat bite. They hit it with high powered oral antibiotics and every day I had to go to the office for them to drain it. Nasty nasty and very painful.
I was refered to a hand specialist but didn't need to go. The bite was on the first knuckle of my middle finger. Must find the true story I wrote about getting my hand stuck in a mail slot as a result of it. ;D
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Post by LymeEnigma on Nov 20, 2007 7:37:15 GMT -8
Cobby, what criteria does your LLMD use to delineate Lyme bartonella from "cat scratch fever?"
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Post by cobweb2 on Nov 20, 2007 18:43:20 GMT -8
don't know- I just said "oh". Another question for her.
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Post by LymeEnigma on Nov 21, 2007 15:38:16 GMT -8
I'm very curious now.
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Post by bv on Nov 22, 2007 0:46:59 GMT -8
catratch fever or cat scratch disease is not the same as Bartonella carried by ticks. If you have neuro symptoms, consider Bartonella. Dr. Burrascano believes Batonella is more prevelent in ticks than Lyme. See www.BetterHealthGuy.com and the summary given there of the June 2007 Hope to Heal Lyme confrence.
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Post by LymeEnigma on Nov 22, 2007 9:23:36 GMT -8
Welcome, bv, and thanks for the link. While Scott, the Better Health Guy, is a decent model for the patient who wants to be his/her own advocate and offers a good amount of resources, unfortunately a good amount of both the research he backs and the products he endorses simply cannot be substantiated by any real documented science. I much applaud his efforts, but sadly his stance is a bit uneducated.
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Post by LymeEnigma on Jan 1, 2008 12:00:50 GMT -8
My LLMD says... (don't you get tired of hearing me say that) Lyme Bartonella and Cat Scratch Fever are not the same. Is this what he is talking about?: www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=1005637Does anyone know of any good links to papers on this? I think it's worth checking out....
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Post by LymeEnigma on Feb 26, 2008 10:21:10 GMT -8
Bartonella infections: diagnostic and management issues. Maurin M, Raoult D. Unité des Rickettsies, CNRS UPRES A 6020, Université de la Méditerranée, Faculté de Médecine, Marseille, France. Bartonella species are emerging pathogens. Renewed interest in this group of bacteria has been highlighted by the recent description of new species, which are pathogenic for humans (Bartonella elizabethae and Bartonella clarridgeae), and their association with an increasing number of clinical manifestations, the more prevalent being cat scratch disease, bacillary angiomatosis, and culture-negative endocarditis. PMID: 17033388 [PubMed] www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17033388?ordinalpos=9&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
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